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The Ridds
Jedi
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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 18, 2014, 06:45
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Hi Peter that quote could be right cause glo motors have been around for so long that when petrol motors came along these were all new an people don't know what classes to set up for them an everyone went into panick mode instead of saying these are the classes we are going to run for these petrol engines so build a boat to run in that class.An now what is happened the committee has made some calls to take the hobby forward an go back to the basic stuff to create interest in the hobby again an go from that so good on them an lets all get in behind with this an take our great hobby forward

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 18, 2014, 08:48
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Yep, the whole point of creating the stock classes is to enhance what is already in place and give members an extra bit more as Steve has already explained. It is all done with the serious intent of bringing growth to our clubs and association, which is about sport racing our 'toy boats' in NZ. After all that is what we are doing, some would think we are a bit weird...

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 20, 2014, 09:34
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I have to agree that this discussion has turned into a good thread and should in some ways guide the committee to finalize there decisions either after the Nats or in the not to distant future. I have to agree with Damien about T2. I feel that after reading some posts and sitting down and thinking about it the first thing that has to happen is that we have to have less classes which means more competitive racing and perhaps a National event that can fit into everybody's pocket by being over less days. In my opinion I would re-write the petrol rules to go something like this. P1 Stock Zenoah This covers all class of boats. P2 Any motor modified or not up to 27cc which covers all classes. P3 & PX as it is now. By doing this you can do away with T2 and Sport Hydro as they will come under P2. No doubt I will get crucified for suggesting something like this, but I believe it's time we took the bull by the hand and do it. perhaps a questionnaire be sent out with all the proposed changes and then the committee have something to go on. The other option to consider would be one boat one entry, this will do away with time wasting motor swapping and going from event to event.

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 20, 2014, 12:33
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Its always going to be hard (if not impossible) to please everyone , The aussies have a very simple set of rules regarding engines , 23-25cc then open up to 35cc , one thing I realised after making a few trips to race over there is that a good p2 engine will stand up no problems to a p3 , I ran a 26 with 1mm stroker and was plenty fast enough up against the big blocks.
They also have a one boat one class rule, meaning you can only enter a hull in one class (plus open oval) , although I myself have been running round the pits swapping motors I have come to the realisation that if you you want to get a boat trimmed up and running to its potential then changing the setup all the time is not going to get you there.
I dont think we should get rid off well supported classes like sport hydro and t2 but maybe the introduction of p3 has been whats jamming up the race schedule?, too many classes?.
Maybe for sport hydro we could introduce a rule that states that the hull must be picklefork (with the deck cutout greater than 10% of hull length?,this would stop the thunderboat double ups.
Im just like everyone else , wanting to get as much run time at an event as possible, but maybe its about making it work for the greater good?.
I also think that the nats should be for oval sprint racing only (Im sure I will get killed over that suggestion lol), most other countries run this format simply to streamline and get through things faster.
Something to chew over?
Cheers
Damian

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 20, 2014, 21:05
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If we opened up T2 to any P2 engine, then BOOM! you can take shovel nose hulls out of P Sport Hydro, because T2 becomes the shovel nose version of P Sport hydro.

Agree with Damo's comments re P3, have yet to see a big block that can consistently outperform a properly set-up P2.

The fundamental question here is what does it take to get more people into racing and keep them there?

My personal view is that one way to grow the sport is for somebody to buy one boat and maximise their time in race conditions. More time on the water equals better race skills and ultimately better racing IMHO. The introduction of Stock classes increases people's time on the water, which is a good thing, but will it ultimately grow the hobby or will the extended length of the Nats turn people away? Only time will tell I guess.

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 20, 2014, 22:23
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I'm afraid I disagree with you Damian on the Aussie set of rules regarding engine sizes as 26 to 27cc is a major cut off point. A standard Zenoah 260 would then be in the up to 35cc class and wouldn't stand a chance. Hey lets keep this debate going as I think some good things could come out of it. I have to be honest here and say I am not in favour of stock classes because of motor restrictions, but if it is going to help the sport then I will support it.

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 21, 2014, 03:33
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Nitro sez chuck away ya petrols and run electric. No noise no smell no oil slicks on the water (good for the environment) and they can beat petrols on the water as well He He!!!

Peter Anderson can you flick me an e-mail to wobblz@xtra.co.nz so I have yours. I have a few thoughts on the electric class set up as they stand at present.
Cheers Nitro

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 21, 2014, 17:33
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To shorten the Nationals has anybody thought of reducing the number of races in each class and to compensate increase the length of the races. If the program had 5 races in each class at 5 laps a time this could be reduced to three races at 8 laps. This would cut an enormous amount of time from the days racing.

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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 22, 2014, 13:04
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Brian,
I think you will find the heats will already have been cut from 5 heats down to 4 ,that is usually the format for the nats, more classes = more heats = longer event ,in my experience most new guys seem to want to run modified classes anyway , they come down and watch a couple of the quicker boats running around and they are sold.
We have a stock class already (T1) , I dont see the need to add a stock class for every hull type , all this is doing is clogging up the race schedule and thinning out the classes , trust me Im not saying this with an agenda to sell more hulls , there are plenty of kits and hulls other than mine available , Im not any closer to owning a masserati because I build hulls.

Tui
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Post Re: 2014 Nationals
on: January 22, 2014, 18:58
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Hi all,
With respect, we see a lot of people come into the hobby, and want and get super fast stuff they have no show of driving proprly without doing damage to themselves and others ( again, no disrespect, but Brian would attest to this from some of his own experiences, and thats just at club level !) and often leave the hobby again quite dejected.( I could name several from the BOP alone that have given up, and others that struggle with stuff that goes too quick for them just yet)
If we have stock classes where guys can come in where there is lesser risk, learn the ropes and how to drive with all the consideration and skill required, then we have a better chance of retaining them. A number of current guys now will freely admit that they start to struggle to drive anything quicker than 100 kh, so the stock classes will provide them the clean close racing they desire, and in doing so we anticipate better retention of members.Thats why T1 is so popular, closer cleaner racing with most boats finishing most heats.All = more fun which is the common denominator we all seek...?

Cheers, ST.

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