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Jedi
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Post BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 6, 2017, 22:25
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🙁 Hi all, unfortunately the BOP 2 Lap Sprints which were to be held on Sunday 19 November have been cancelled.

Cheers Sorry.

Nitro Ned
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on: November 6, 2017, 22:42
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great 10 minutes prior to your post Sorry I sent an e-mail to Tui to say my ferry tickets and accommodation is booked to come up for the weekend with 4 boats and several motors to give a few more records a knudge

Hope you will reconsider

Cheers Nitro

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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 7, 2017, 21:41
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Had you filled out an entry form, (NO) as there wasn't one, and two, why were you conversing with someone who is not really involved with the day to day running of our club. Sorry but the decision stands as it was a unanimous decision made at our club night. Cheers Sorry.

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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 10, 2017, 22:38
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Mr Sorry it is the comments and attitudes displayed by you in the above post that is wearing the patients of the NZMPBA committee and a lot of the membership at large very thin.
I will reply to you last post and give you the opportunity to reply in a respectful manner to mine if you wish to reply.

Reply in the same tone of you last post and you will leave us no option but ban you from this web site for life!

Immediately After you last 2 lap time trials in August my wife and I decided to come back up to the November ones next Sunday. We rebooked and paid for our motel there in Tauranga plus Taupo where we will stay on Sunday night to make the journey back to the wellington ferry a little shorter and less of a grind to meet the 2.30 sailing.

It is to be a 3 pronged visit.
1. to catch up with my wife’s ill friend in Whakatane.
2. To do some 2 lap time trials and snatch some NZMPBA records on Sunday
3. Introduce YOUR club to the electronic timing system the NZMPBA plans to make available and set up and use at your venue in time for next years, and for future runs which will take all the guess work away using manual timing

Under the objects In the NZMPBA Constitution it states
(b). To assist individuals and clubs with the promotion and encouragement of model power boating throughout New Zealand.

To Me the NZMPBA is us, you , me and every individual financial member and NOT just the NZMPBA Committee, as some seem to have entrenched in their minds, that the NZMPBA is!

You can understand my frustration from my post when after the money invested to get up and back was going to be in vain, especially as well when, at the request of members of your club, my club was asked if we would consider changing the date of our Picton Offshore regatta to 1 week later to enable them to race here on the Saturday of the Masterton off shore regatta weekend then catch the evening ferry back to Wellington so they could then race at Masterton on the Sunday. Essentially run at 2 regattas on 1 weekend so being able to have 2 scoring opportunities for PC points.

It meant shifting it from a long weekend, (Labour Weekend) to a normal weekend. This also put south islanders in jeopardy of travelling up here as the journey from Christchurch to Blenheim through the inland route since the Kaikoura earthquake is as bad as the Auckland southern motorway in rush hour. A long weekend gave them the opportunity of travelling home on the Monday without taking a day’s annual leave. We made this decision with constitution (b) in mind. Then what happens, we get a no show from your members!!!

3 weeks prior Marie and I got tickets to see Justin Heywood of the Moody Blues play in ChCh and it was a Friday night.

I message Chookie fowler down there to say I’m coming down to the concert and since it was a Friday night It would be rude not to throw a boat in the car for a blatt round their pond on Saturday or Sunday morning with them before we headed back home. Not only did he say yes but hastily organised a mini regatta to make the trip worthwhile and we had a blast.

To me this is what our sport is about friendship camaraderie and encouragement.

I will do the same for anyone who is prepared to travel distance to boat with us.

I was regularly checking the NZMPBA calendar for an entry form for your regatta and of course by your own admission there wasn’t one so I could not fill one out.( kind shot yourself in the foot there).

Its the next sentence (Why were you conversing with someone who is not really involved with the day to day running of our club.)that has lost you any respect I may have had for you in the past.

Steve Trott is a fellow club member of yours, and, a well respected member of the NZMPBA Membership this being shown by him being granted life membership of our Association for his services both to us and your club. He was also the main driving force behind getting you the best model boat racing venue in the country there in Tauranga. He is also a good friend of mine and has always been my point of call in your club as I have his contact details in my address book and he has always been the driving force behind every regatta I have ever attended at your venue.

I then find out the decision was made by only 4 of the twenty odd members of your club without any consultation from the rest of your members including Steve to cancel the regatta. Very democratic!

As you have the only certified course in the country, I am coming up there to run some 2 lap trials in 3 classes that I know I can set new bench marks in.

If you wish I will even bring my own stop watches and noise meter and pen and paper to record the results on and all I will only require from your club less than 30 minutes of time from 2 of your members to man the watches and noise meter. I could use my wife on 1 watch needing only 1 other but I feel that could be a conflict of interest.

So if you strongly believe in constitution B above as I do you will arrange for some of your members to assist me and anyone else who may choose to now attend your facility.

Regards
Grahame Haines
President NZMPBA

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Jedi
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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 11, 2017, 08:31
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You know the problem here is communication. Respectfully, perhaps it would be helpful if as in the above quoted from the constitution, communication between the committee and clubs/members be improved. Yes there are problems at times but when people communicate then these problems often vanish quite quickly. I would say also that to threaten and demand of members is not however in line with the constitution nor conducive to creating and maintaining good relationships. You cannot force or demand people to give up their own time and turn up to events, they may have other things already that their time is given to. Remember we all do whatever part we can on a voluntary basis, each according to what time and ability life allows us.

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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 11, 2017, 09:31
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Yes communication causes a lot of the problems most groups have but lets analyze this particular one and not digress into others at this stage.
The event has been on the calendar for some time now but there was no entry forms posted " Why not?"
We can only assume that no one within the host club took ownership of the event or there was no interest within the host club to run the day and if this is so then it should have been canned a lot earlier than it was
If there was a larger entry for the event would the club have decided to run the day? possibly yes but there was no entry form posted and it appears to me that the most successful events [numbers wise ] are ones that the organizers have prompted the membership to enter.
Yes all our clubs and Association are run by volunteers and all competitors pay their own way so to be able to combine multiple activities into one cost makes it a lot easier to justify and with an entry sent out there may have been enough people there to make a successful and fun day with minimal effort from the host club.
Just my thoughts on a unnecessary problem that shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
Murray

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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 11, 2017, 10:52
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Hi Nitro, as it happens I didn't see an entry form for your event that didn't eventuate either. I could of been in exactly the same boat, turned up for your event and would of been the only one apart from you there. We have a monthly club meeting where different things are discussed and I am afraid if members don't turn up to those meetings then they only have themselves to blame if something doesn't go their way. At the moment I have other far more important issues in life rather than worrying about what should of or should have happened. If you feel so inclined bar me from the association, I might even have more fun boating with my mates.

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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 11, 2017, 12:28
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As it stands, no one had organised anything in regards to entry forms etc. That question should be directed to the BOPMPBC club president Leo Meharry as to why that is so.
Only four members turned up to the club meeting, no information was known or had been received as regarding who if anyone was interested in entering, organising or running the event. Of the four members who attended the meeting, none were available to be there either to enter, organise or run the event. On that basis the call was made to cancel as we felt there was little other choice, and it is a busy time of year for most. In making the call, we also kept in mind numerous past events where there has been very little support from the general membership, even though there is such a great venue to run on. It can get just a bit much organising and running events with little participation, and become more worth just focusing on our own club activities as I am sure others can understand. On behalf of the BOPMPBC I apologise to those who feel put out. It however looks like Steve Trott may be going to step in to make something happen. So take a deep breath and relax.

Tui
Jedi
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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 11, 2017, 12:38
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Hi All,

Please be aware that the decision to cancel this event has been reversed, the BOP 2 Lap Sprints on Sunday 19th November 2017 are still on.

For those interested in entering, all you need to do is send an e mail to sktrott232@xtra.co.nz please put "2 Lap Sprints" in the subject line, then your name, NZ Assoc number, and a list of the boats / classes you will run in the body of your e mail.

Thanks and Regards & see you Sunday 19th Nov, 8am at Thunder Valley, Tauriko.

Nitro Ned
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Post Re: BOP 2 Lap Sprints
on: November 11, 2017, 22:27
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Brian you did not see our entry form because you did not look aye! you didn't look because you had no intention of coming down.

Click on the NZMPBA Calendar scroll back to October and click on our event on October 28 and see what you find!!!!

I also personally sent that entry form to 35 boaters and I made sure someone from each club or boating fraternity got one for them to pass on to their fellow members that were too tired to go to the calendar to down load it.

And yes MR Electric communication from the Committee has been slow because of the protocol of having to have the previous months minutes approved by those present before they could be posted, so there was always going to be a months delay before the membership got to see them.

You will however have noted that the November minutes have already been posted roughly 15 minutes after the completion of the meeting.

And before you jump off your high horse and accuse the committee of breaking the rules, the committee members present at the meeting already approved them as now when we have a Skype meeting I can share my screen with everyone hooked up so they can see what Marie and I type up and correct us as we go.

We ask those present as we go if they are happy with the wording or needs changing as they get done, they see what we type correct us where needed then we move on to the next topic simple aye

Therefore now there is no need to wait another month to approve something they have already witnessed and approved as the minutes are written.

As for organising and running the event it does not take that much really. Its not rocket science. When you see the electronic set up I am bringing up to demonstrate you only need 2 people to run the show. 1 to drive the boat, the other throws it in then goes and pushes a button to activate the timer ready to time the boat when it breaks the beam.

I just personally think this time because Steve was not going to be involved the rest of your club decided they couldn't be bothered stepping up and have a go.

so as usual good old Steve has had to jump back in a organise and run the meeting.

I'll be there at you lake 8am on Sunday ready to run then demonstrate the laser system.

Cheers Nitro

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