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mattbindon
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Post Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 5, 2016, 16:44
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NZMPBA SKYPE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Date
October 3rd 2016 8pm

PRESENT;
Grahame Haines, Matt Bindon, John Belworthy, Keith Ewing, Trevor Emerson

APOLOGIES; Murray Smithson, Bruce Clarke, Steve Knutson

MINUTES OF LAST COMMITTEE MEETING 12/9/16 READ AND ACCEPTED;
Moved: Trevor Emerson
Seconded: Matt Bindon

Read and accepted as true and correct record, M Bindon to post to forum.

TREASURERS REPORT;
Not Tabled
Moved: N/A
Seconded: N/A

CORRESPONDANCE;

IN:
1> N/A.

OUT:
1> G. Haines Response to P. Anderson
2> L. Marsden – re Molybdenum Disulphide Pistons
MATTERS ARISING;

1 > Promo DVD
S Trott provided an update and this remains a work in progress.

Action – Bruce to follow up with Steve.

2 > Committee Behaviour.
T Emerson and B Gutsell to draft “Code of Conduct” for presentation to committee. This remains a work in progress.

Action - Bob Gutsell - Found it again will work on with Trev over the next month.

3> Health & Safety.
B. Gutsell Sent draft template to committee members, reviewed online during Meeting.

Action - B. Gutsell, to add as an appendix to the existing Health &Safety Guide lines.

4> National Championships
Awaiting confirmation from BOP Club about whether they still want to hold the Nationals.

Action - Bob to follow up with Bruce.

5> T Emerson report on transponder system
The provider will be visiting Masterton with 5 sample transponders on Sunday 9/10/2016 around 10:30am.

Action - Trev to provide feedback for next Meeting

6> Radio Failsafes
Updated Proposed Off Shore rules
o Defer mandatory implementation until January 1 2018, when it will be mandatory for all gas powered boats.
Action; Bob to circulate re-revised Offshore Rules
7> B Hely Proposals and Remit.

2nd e mail proposals from B Hely.
a. Investigation into Walbro 929 carburettors on Zenoah PUM 260 engines indicates that these will be the standard issue carb with this engine. Specs for the carb are almost identical to that of the currently allowed 257 carb, so in that respect there is neither any identifiable advantage nor disadvantage in allowing 929 carbs.

Action, Bob to change rules to allow the use of the 929 carburettor.

b. Recoil starters vs belt / pulley / remote electric starters for P1 class.

Action – Ensure membership knows that this has not been allowed.
MATTERS ARISING FROM CORRESPONDANCE
N/A.
GENERAL BUSINESS
2017 Racing Calendar
2017 Offshore Calendar Policy - One Event per Club per Venue

Offshores – Wellington (February/March), Bay of Plenty (April), Hamilton (June), Masterton (July), Taupo (August), Rotorua (September), Marlborough (October). TBC

Action – Nitro to assemble the draft regatta calendar for 2017.

Constitution Update
Amend rule change clause of the constitution.

Bob to add the following to Section 16 of the constitution:
a. The committee shall request feedback from the membership within this 6 week period and the feedback shall be considered for the final wording of the proposed new rule.
b. When the wording is significantly changed after the 6 weeks of consultation another 6 week period of consultation shall commence.

Off Shore Scrutineering Form
Action - Bob to get it added to the rule book section of the website.

Next NZMPBA Committee Meeting Monday November 7th, 2016. 8:00 pm

Meeting Closed 9:51pm.

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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 5, 2016, 19:32
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I have two questions.
1) [quote1> G. Haines Response to P. Anderson]

. I have not recieved any response! How is this then correspondence out?
2)

Constitution Update
Amend rule change clause of the constitution.
Bob to add the following to Section 16 of the constitution:
a. The committee shall request feedback from the membership within this 6 week period and the feedback shall be considered for the final wording of the proposed new rule.
b. When the wording is significantly changed after the 6 weeks of consultation another 6 week period of consultation shall commence.

Was this voted on at the AGM. Those who were not there wouldn't know as no AGM minutes have been posted. If this has not been voted on at the AGM or a special meeting then it cannot be changed as per the constitution;

16. Alterations to Constitution, Rules & By-Laws
a) This Constitution shall not be altered, added to, or rescinded except with the consent of twothirds
majority of the members recording votes at an annual or Special Meeting.
b) No motion to alter add to or rescind this constitution shall be deemed to be in order unless the
proposed alteration or deletion, shall have been set out at length among the business to be
transacted in the notice convening the Meeting.
c) Any proposed alteration, addition or deletion to this constitution shall have, furnished to the
Secretary fourteen clear days before notice convening the General Meeting.
d) Any alteration, addition or deletion which gains the necessary two-thirds majority shall be
operative immediately providing such alteration, addition or deletion is acceptable to the Registrar
of the Incorporated Societies

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Would the committee please clarify this to the membership, and confirm that they are not arbitrarily making changes to the constitution of their own accord.

Bigfishbob
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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 5, 2016, 20:45
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Pete, thanks for pointing out that the 2016 AGM minutes haven't been posted, they're not normally released until the membership has voted on them at the next AGM as being true and correct. However, I see that the 2015 agm minutes were posted, so we will do so in the near future. You can be rest assured that these changes to the constitution were voted on and unanimously approved by those present at the AGM.

The President will resend the response to your letter.

Sorry
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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 5, 2016, 22:22
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I find it hard to understand that a proposal I submitted with regards to electric belt starters on P1 motors was approved in the committee meeting minutes on the 25th July 2016. I was written to by the then secretary stating that my proposal had been accepted and would be adopted after the six week period. I now read in the October meeting minutes that this has been rescinded. I do find it hard to understand that this topic has come up along with another topic re 929 carbs in Septembers meeting minutes as well. This topic was dwelt with and passed in July as well. I can not see how at the drop of a hat the committee in their own wisdom can just turn around and change something that had gone through the process and had been passed. I have already changed my P1 motors to electric belt starters as I was given the go ahead after the six week period. The reason I put this forward in the first place was because of serious back issues and not being able to use pull starters. All my boats now have electric belt starters because of my health issues. What I want to know now is, where do I stand. Do I have to forget running P1 class which was originally instigated to have some nice even competitive racing. If the powers that be think a pulley on a motor is going to improve it's performance therefore not allow it to compete is absolutely ludicrous. Cheers.

Bigfishbob
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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 6, 2016, 14:28
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That's just one of the joys of having a consultation period Brian. The committee got feedback that the membership wasn't happy about allowing belt starters only for P1 engines. You can still have a belt starter on your engine but you have to leave the recoil starter in place as always was the rule. The stupidity of the way the current rules is written is that the pulley start may still be the secondary starting mechanism but there is nothing to stop you from using that all the time.

NOTE; We put the wrong September minutes by mistake, the committee meeting of the new committee was actually September 12th. The correct minutes have now been added.

Nitro Ned
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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 6, 2016, 19:39
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If one has trouble using the pull start when starting for a race at a regatta, whats wrong with getting you pit man to start the thing for you?
After all don't we have to have a pit man when we race?

So for P1 If you want to use the pully start on your own at club days thats your choice but at sanctioned regattas the pull start must be used as the primary starting method and the pully only if the pull start has failed beyond repair

The proposal was voted on and rejected at the September committee meeting.

As bob sez the committee recieved objections from members within that 6 week consultation period.

We had an AGM after the July Committee meeting with a changing of the guard.

then the new committee met for their first meeting on the 12 September 7 weeks after the previous committee passed the rule to the consultation period

This committee ovbiously has to continue with work inherited From the previous one.

The above issue was strongly debated both for and against and rest assured the final vote was very close but for Mr Hely against his proposal

Un fortunatly Mr Hely you were ill advised by the previous secretary that the rule was done and dusted with out the required consultation period.

Hence the clarification on how the system works,published in the October minutes, that will got into the constitution.

cheers Nitro

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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 6, 2016, 21:56
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Sometimes rules can be and could be the ending of model boaters. Nitro Ned, if you had half as much steel plates and pins in your shoulders and back as I have you might have a different complexion on the issue. I rest my case, the six week period had gone the distance, but no you have decided that 7 weeks is ok to change what had already been agreed on. I was all so on the understanding that when something was changed there was another 6 week standing before implementation of the rule which was voted on at the recent AGM, plus the original instigator of the rule change which was me would then be given the opportunity to have a redress to the new decision. None of this has happened. What really gets me is that you can take the piston out and relieve the bottom in order to stop it from seizing, and you can take OFF THE ORIGINAL STARTER and put on and Ezy starter and yet you can't use a pulley in its place for and electric belt start. To me not a lot of thought has gone into this final decision, you have looked at one aspect with regards to stock Zenoah's but not others. Is all I want is some consistency in the rule making. I firmly believe that in this instance the NZMPBA committee have failed in their communication with regards to this issue with me.

Nitro Ned
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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: October 7, 2016, 21:51
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Sorry. You are so right with your first sentence.

many of us with disabilities have to learn to adapt differently to able bodied people with what we want to do. Yes I have a disability Too!!! Also sometimes our disability can totally prevent us from really doing what we want to do and we just have to face up to the fact that we cant do it, so then we need to look for something else that we can do that suits us.Maybe you have to do that and forget about P1
You also need to put your brain into gear before you hit the keyboard.
we hold committee meetings now every 4 weeks(the first Monday of the month) so if you are any good at maths 4 into 6 does not go so rule change deadlines are going to pass sometimes in between committee meetings so they will not be finalised till the next meeting. And remember I did not create this situation. You the membership did this while I was living in Australia.
If you read my post above properly and actually thought about it, we don't need another 6 weeks for consultation because you proposal was not changed in any way it was voted out.
As I said above and I will say it again your proposal WAS hotly debated among us and after 20 minutes of twoing and frowing I forced the vote by casting mine. I then asked each member to vote yay or Nay after 6 votes we had 3 yay and 3 nay. It was the 7th casting vote that made the decision.

You also need to sit down and read the P1 rules over and over again untill they are firmly in your head because if you understood them properly you would know that YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO REMOVE A SMALL AMMOUNT OFF THE TOP OF THE PISTON, NOT THE BOTTOM. then again if one uses a good quality oil and not lean they wouild not even need to do that

If you want to take this up with me further then best you make your self known to me at your clubs 2 lap sprints in November as I will be in attendance.

Nitro

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Post Re: Committee Meeting Mintues 3rd October 2016
on: November 28, 2016, 07:25
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When will we see the November minutes and also the AGM minutes please?

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