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Hi Bob,
I am not saying I have the answers, just trying to get some understanding around all the various ideas and points of view that are floating around, yet never collated in any meaningful way where all can be considered further.Hopefully thats what this forum is finally acheiving.

The thing to keep in mind is this is all around what happens at the Nats, what ever individual clubs choose to do around their own club days and events they devise and run is up to them to work out, advertise and try to gather support for.

IMHO the Nats is the 1 main event where NZ Champions are found. It is where we come to find Champions for specific classes and watching for example in the extreme 10 T1s race T1, then the same boats in T2, then the same again in Sport Hydro, then the same in P2 Hydro, what have we really achieved except run 4 events all the same, but each with a different name ? Seems pointless ? If we allow that then it is negative to a point as does not encourage people to contest the different events as they were really intended.It is merely taking advantage of various hull descriptions and forcing some thing to fit, mainly because the wordings are not smart enough...

The issue we have IMO is at grass roots level, regional clubs need to get a lot better at promoting what we do to draw in newbies and foster their growth within the hobby, running 1 boat in multiple events at club level and at regional regatta level is no problem, it does promote that learning and skill needed, usually by about then most are wanting to try different things and again it is up to their club to "educate" them what to consider in moving up the ladder further to contemplate competing at the Nats.Its only at that stage we will see any further growth.

In trying to stream line the Nats to meet tighter time frames, then by allowing all the cross entry we are not really helping things, if we stick to the "true intent" of each class, then yes there will be less in each event, but they will maintain complete integrity, and people will gradually grasp that to compete in more than 1 event then they will need more than 1 boat.

There is no easy answer, and I can only hope the more all this is thrown about that we will find the answers.

As noted, this at this stage is all around what we do at the Nats, so we need to think carefully about what that really means..Its going to take more than just a cople of us to figure it out !!

Cheers, ST.

Okay so the majority has spoken, but there's still a dilemma. The stock classes are being targeted as Zenoah only, and the P2/T2 classes are being targeted for modified only. Where are the guys running Stock RMCK, Tiger King and Chung Yang (sp?), CRRC and SYkk (Sp?) engines going to run?

To your second paragraph Steve, it seems to me that to the casual observer you'll see the same boats running in Stock and modified classes anyway. Most people have Stock and modified engines, and the number of rookies we get each year is very low (assuming that rookies are the one's most likely to have ONLY a stock engine) the majority of boats will run stock classes then do a motor swap and run P2 classes. Same boats with different engines, but what have you really achieved?

Sorry I don't agree with what you are saying Terry. The simple reason is that P2 is up to 27cc and as far as I am concerned I can run a stock Zenoah if I like in that class and as the rules sit at the moment no one can stop me. Cheers

I'm picking that p2 hydro was probably introduced to foster the growth of the individual classes, as far as i can see all these classes are all now well established and well supported , i don't see why we still even have this class? , the only class that is not established is gas rigger, these can be run in open oval until there are sufficient numbers to form a stand alone class.
Cheers damo

if you go with 1 boat 1 class you are not going to encourage too many new people into our hobby.
FYI Damo P2 has been around since the inception of our organisation P1 was 23cc to cover the Ohlson and Rice 23cc motor way back then and P2 was set at 35cc
The only thing that has changed with P1 & P2 over the years is the engine capacity
you want to try and keep costs down to encourage new people into the sport and what they and I want is water time running our boats
you have a new guy build a T1 and he can only run 1 event at the nationals he will run that event and bugger off. You have enough trouble now getting people to stay round as it is.
He is going to have to spend a lot of money to cover all classes and that will turn em away and I hear the comment that the check book racers are spending heaps to keep going fast you are telling the new guys they are going to have to spend a lot of money to get water time

Keep it simple Keep T1 as stock class make up ya mind wether to keep T2 and considering the tooing and frowing over the years ditch it. A boater with a T1 can then swap a Mod engine in it and run in SPH coz they qualify as one of them IMO. Keep P2 coz that should be the run what ya brung class you suddenly have a guy who can build 1 boat run 3 events to get water time and have fun running his boats

I want to come back to run in the 2015 nationals. I have bought a backlash which is a SPH and I would expect to run in P2 and open oval that give me 3 events with 1 boat Bring a P3 engine then there is another class I can run P3 hydro.

Be a waste of time packing it up to come all the way over only to run 1 event.

I purposely bought a JAE 21 FE rigger to start with for fast electrics. I run 4S which is 14.8 volts. I have just bought a 5S battery 18 volts so I can now run 2 classes just change batteries and prop. Gives me more water time.
Not everyone can afford to run several boats like you seasoned racers who have been at it for many years so think about the sport as a whole and try to make the rules simple to encourage new blood an give em plenty of opportunity to get water time for the least amount of investment.

Cheers Nitro KISS